General: Germany

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Germany's ugly face, and lots of pretty ones, too

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4 Feb 20th, 2001 

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Good people, like anywhere else in the world

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Bad people, like anywhere else in the world

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As one of the few German users of Ciao UK and someone who has lived and studied in Britain, I have decided to exploit my position and engage in a piece of cultural crossover, exclusively for Ciao's UK community.

Do not expect any descriptions of cultural, architectoral or historical sights here. The purpose of this article is the same as should be with every opinion at Ciao, i.e. to answer the question "Should I buy this?", or, as in this case, "Should I go there?"

I am about to answer this question in the view of recent reports of xenophobia, neo-nazism and anti-semitism in Germany, thus I am focussing on the aspect of how safe it is to travel there, how openminded people are or not, and what kind of experiences you can expect to collect when interacting with German people.

You can imagine that this is one of the most difficult articles for a German to write on a British website, and this opinion requires a lot of rational from both sides, author and reader alike. So if your view of Germany is limited to "Two world wars, two world cup finals", than this is not for you. Or maybe it is especially for, if you can put your prejudice aside and think again.

And, although this should sometime cease to be an imperative introduction for every German writing about his/her country, I should also state that when I come to the point of discussing myth and reality of right-extremism in today's Germany, I don't want to diminish in any way the crimes committed over 50 years ago. I share the responsibility of all Germans for our history and preserve the memory as a constant reminder, yet as a young person I have every right to look ahead and reach out to new inspirations for my life.

Let me start by examining some of the ugly events which have been reported in the past months. In 2001 alone, there have been a handful of attacks against Jewish Synagogues, mostly in the form of nazi paroles written on them and, in few cases, molotow cocktails thrown at them. Every week, we hear about foreigners being beaten up. a few hundred people got wounded in this way in 2000, and less than five killed, if I remember correctly.

So are we all a xenophobic bunch of Nazis? I wouldn't be here if we were, and I am no exception. Indeed we really do have a problem with neo-nazism in Germany, but it is limited in scope as I will explain in full detail. But don't believe everything you read about this in the Sun, Mirror and the likes. Even German media often make premature judgements here. This was the case with an attack on a group of Eastern European Jews in Düsseldorf last autumn, which was immediately labeled an anti-semitist act, but proved to have been committed by a relative for reasons of family problems.

So what is really going on?

I would say that the described acts take place by around 80% in the eastern German regions of Brandenburg and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. A real pain for true believers in east-west integration like myself, this is threatening to create a new east-west divide, ten years after reunification. The stronghold of the extreme right in eastern Germany, in my opinion, results from two facts. 1) When the German Democratic Republic (GDR) was founded in the Soviet occupied (eastern) zone of Germany after the war, no conscious revaluation of history took place, instead one totalitarian regime replaced another. The GDR used many of the national symbols employed in the Third Reich, and the Holocaust had little mention in socialist history books, which preferred to focus more on the victory of Marxism over Nazism. Thus East Germans were not given much opportunity to reflect their past. 2) The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992 destroyed demand for East German industrial products overnight, leading to a vast economic downturn. Even today, after 1.4 trillion DM of taxpayers' money spend on investments in East Germany, there is still a big economic divide. At 8% national unemployment rate in Germany, the West has only 5%, East Germany struggles at 17%.

Poverty and lack of education are certainly no excuses for xenophobia, but this phenomenom can be observed in other countries too, especially in southern France and, I'm affraid, in parts of the UK as well. Just yesterday I read an opinion at Ciao UK complaining about the marginalisation of the "white caucasian race" in a British city, which I am not going to name here.

I also don't want to be misunderstood in the way that all East German are racists, the opposite is the case. More than 95% of the population there is openminded like you and me, but the racist minority is still bigger and more visible than elsewhere. We do have racism in West Germany, too, but in very small scape. Iam confident, though, that economic development and education will help to minimise, if not completely vanish, the problem in the long run.

So how does that effect you as a potential visitor to Germany?

Mostly not at all. There may be some areas in the East which I wouldn't recommend for travel for the time being. But the Eastern states of Thuringia, Saxonia, Saxonia-Anhalt, and parts of Brandenburg will give you a warm welcome. Do not miss to visit the wonderful cities of Potsdam (Sans Soussi Castle), Weimar (Goethe and Schiller) and reconstructed Dresden (no comment here on a British website).

As for the West, you will find openminded people all over the place, and one of the most internationally minded societies in the world.

You will be impressed that most Germans below 50 speak good or very good English, so it will be easy for you to ask people for the way, talk to people all over the place, build new contacts and, hopefully, make new friends. It is quite common for German A-Level students to go abroad for a year or to participate in exchange programmes. Most Germans will be most pleased to help you around.

Forgive me for saying that during my two years at Exeter University, I found that British university students on average knew far less about Germany than ordinary Germans know about Britain.

As in any other country, attitude differs with regional mentality. Going by the usual stereotypes, Bavarians may be slightly more stubborn than Rhinelanders, but once you've gained their friendship they may prove to be the more faithful friends.

Verdict:

Don't hesitate to visit Germany and build your own opinion. Most probably you wont get shot at or harrased, instead you might well get invited by a stranger to a pub for a good German beer. Be invited to visit our immense collection of cultural and historical sights, our thriving cities, and some fine spots of nature.

Should you ever come to my region, the Rhineland, send me an email before. I would be most pleased to show you around and we'll have a few beers together, maybe not just a few.

 

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Comments about this review »

SweetTooth93 12.04.2009 15:18

Congrats on your diamond!!! xx

GermoneyanKaess 12.12.2002 21:15

Very good opinion. I think this is a topic I could write over 5000 words, so it isn't easy to write the most important things of your own land. Cheers, Kaess

kambodscha-joe 24.08.2002 17:34

A compliment to your english! I am envious! The mentality of east-germans are not different from west-germans. Neither they are less educated. Knogledge of english is better in the west. Travelling in the whole germany is no problem, even everywhere in the east. There are some frustated unemployed troublemaker, but its not a mayor problem, touristed were never involved. You found these people everywhere in the world. Therefore your interesting opinion is a little out of the issue holiday and travel in germany. Greetings from saxonia!

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